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Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.18 03:13:01 -
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Unit562 wrote:I firmly believe that he's said screw the whole thing because CCP said they were going to release simulated ships within the in game fitting system. The simulated ships completely and totally removes the need for programs such as EFT, as it does exactly the same thing, only more accurately as it's in game. Unfortunately, I think 3rd party fitting tools are going to go away with the November expansion.
Rumors of 3rd party fitting tools deaths have been greatly exaggerated. |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.10 05:29:54 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Despite CCP's good intentions, those of us who have been around for a while know damn well that what CCP says and does is two different things. Besides that, even if they do what they say they'll do, the released product will be buggy and more importantly, will not be worked on or finished after being implemented in game.
CCPs scope for a fitting tool is much more narrow than that of EFT/Pyfa. It's essentially drop some modules on a ship, display some basic stats. It will never do what those tools do, nor will it ever cover a fraction of the information they provide.
But it's not meant to.
Ghost fitting isn't something that is intended to completely obsolete EFT/Pyfa, it's just the next rev of the in game fitting window. And it'll be a very useful tool, one that I'll use often. (I've already used it many times on SiSi, have you?)
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
So we definitely need an active EFT app. I for one don't want to log into the game just to check out various ship fits.
As far as an app goes, there are many to choose from.
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues wrote:I think we are going to have to learn how to use Pyfa. :(
It's not terribly difficult, so let me turn that frown upside down. :)
Many things are being actively worked on (I just submitted a PR that will allow people to selectively enable booster side effects, albeit in a slightly hacky way). Go look at the PRs for Pyfa, and if there's something you are really missing from EFT that you want there, create an issue on it.
Just PLEASE don't create another "give windows plx". Pyfa is never EFT, never pretended to be, and never will be. We have to draw the line somewhere. :)
But feature/information/display/functionality/etc requests, those are fair game.
Also, for those in the know, big things are planned for Pyfa. So keep your eyes open for news on that front. |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.18 09:07:33 -
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Barrogh Habalu wrote:When CCP announced ghost fitting, first thing I thought was "I hope they will use every bit of experience gained by people during EFT/PYFA development". About 2 years later, CCP release a tool which is pretty much inferior to those in every way, even lacking features they could've always blatantly copied from existing tools to make their own one not worse.
I'm afraid though that this is exactly what we all expected.
CCP never claimed that Ghost fitting would replace EFT/Pyfa/etc. Ghost fitting is an iteration on the previous fitting window. It's a massive improvement (especially in speed, <3 how fast it launches now) but it's not intended to replace 3rd party fitting tools.
The goal was to allow you to test fit modules and ships without owning them, and to simplify/streamline the whole process. And on that, it works wonderfully.
The problem with making Ghost fitting as complex as EFT/Pyfa is that EVE is complex enough for new players without throwing a massive wall of stats at them. A lot of new players feel like they're drowning under the relatively few stats they get in Ghost fitting, can you imagine how they'd feel if they were forced to use EFT/Pyfa?
Ghost fitting and 3rd party tools are complimentary to each other. Both have their place, and while there is certainly overlap between the two, there's also a good amount of things that makes each unique and useful.
As far as the 2 years goes, do you have any idea how difficult even a simple fitting engine is? If it were easy, I wouldn't be finding very simple and obvious bugs that have existed since Pyfa was first built years ago. That CCP could do something like Ghost fitting in 2 years (especially given that it wasn't 2 years of actual dedicated dev time, but a side project to all the other stuff they're working on) is frankly amazing. |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.18 15:46:29 -
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Ymiko Q wrote:
Any actual calculator anyway now it is possible to use or better noone?
Pyfa is still being updated regularly.
Ascension patch hasn't hit Pyfa yet, but it's being worked on. |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.22 23:57:07 -
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Sassums wrote:Am I missing something or are the command bursts missing from EFT?
You are not.
Even if the database was updated to add the items themselves, they wouldn't work properly. Dev work would need to be done to make them work, we completely reworked the code for Pyfa (and still fiddling with it). |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.24 18:14:52 -
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Rroff wrote:
The new command bursts setup and capabilities are so not friendly for fitting tools - as someone with programming experience I don't envy you one bit implementing them (supporting alpha limitations for those fits looks like a bit of a pain as well).
It's already mostly done. We did it like the old fleet boosts just to keep it the same, but we might change it down the road.
There are still a few lingering things that are left, mostly tweaking the effects to make sure they all apply correctly (there's a few that aren't).
But it's working, Blitzmann did some awesome work on it.
Alpha limitations are also being worked on. Not sure how close he is to having a working release, but I know he has some stuff in the works. |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.09 17:46:25 -
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Rroff wrote:Not that pyfa is bad - but I can put a fit together in EFT 3-4x quicker :S
How so? |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.11 00:20:09 -
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Rroff wrote:Dunno really just the flow of it and presentation means I can get to what I want quicker, a little more responsive when doing stuff as well but mostly I just find EFT more intuitive.
That's fair, there's nothing wrong with simply being more comfortable and used to it.
I was wondering if there was a specific workflow, process, etc that was causing the difference. Unfortunately can't code "make user work better" into the app. :) |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.18 01:53:44 -
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Robby Titan wrote:Any update on what's happening with EFT. This has been my tool since I first started playing Eve. I haven't tried Pyfa in a few years, but last time I did I ran away. If this isn't being updated are there other options besides Pyfa or do I have to try that again? Ideally I'd just like an update on what's happening with EFT...
There are a few online options. Just Google "eve fitting tool".
Rroff wrote:Ebag Trescientas wrote:Rroff wrote:Dunno really just the flow of it and presentation means I can get to what I want quicker, a little more responsive when doing stuff as well but mostly I just find EFT more intuitive. That's fair, there's nothing wrong with simply being more comfortable and used to it. I was wondering if there was a specific workflow, process, etc that was causing the difference. Unfortunately can't code "make user work better" into the app. :) I think one thing is getting to ship fittings and cross referencing fittings - I often have several different ships open in the main window of EFT so I can compare stuff at a glance, etc. and can't see off hand a way to do similar in Pyfa - swapping between tabs and going back and forth within the fittings pane for me is slower than double clicking through the ships menu in EFT and moving individual ship fitting windows around. (Obviously there are going to be some people for whom tabs is more efficient).
Yeah, comparing fits is a much asked for feature.
Unfortunately we'll (probably) never go the route of side by side fits. Single vs multi is a very low level decision, and each app is designed entirely around that fact. Simply comparing a fit (or the stats) might be an option, but that's something that requires a lot of GUI reworking.
For me, I'm very interested in looking at making Pyfa more efficient. We've already found a number of areas where there were serious slowdowns (for example, a scenario where Pyfa would launch slower if your DB was empty rather than full), and I plan on continuing to hunt down areas where there are similar issues. Being what it is (a GUI app based in python) it'll never be as fast as other options, but there's definitely optimization that can happen.
While we can't get rid of tabs, maybe we can at least make swapping between tabs less painful. :) |
Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.04 19:26:23 -
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Janisha wrote:
I hope somone else can and will take over if the creator left
EFT isn't open source, so no one can take over.
There was a hack a few pages back to update the database, but that won't change any of the logic, formulas, functions, effects, etc that changed since EFT was last updated. |
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Ebag Trescientas
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.08 15:36:12 -
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Trespasser wrote:if hes not going to maintain it anymore he should just make it open source and throw it up on github or something and let the community take care of it..
Every time this happens folks suggest the same thing. And every time it's the same response. *crickets*
Trespasser wrote:
Who knows though maybe the guy got sick or got hit by a bus or something.
This happens fairly regularly. Maybe he'll show up with an updated version, maybe he won't. vOv |
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